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[bladespark]

Livejournal finally comes out and says that fictional depictions of minors aren't allowed.

Despite having said that they were allowed right before holding their permanent account sale. How nice.

At least there is now something vaguely resembling a concrete set of rules of what will and what won't get you banned that matches up, mostly with what has actually gotten people banned.

Edit: Wait, they added a mention of their own staff mocking us... And that's it. They explained that he's just human, and it's unfortunate, but really okay, I mean gosh. It was in an ironic humor community, so that's just fine, right?

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[wolfmare.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry, but... Seriously?! Yeesh.

I dunno about *all* the HP fanfic, but all of it I've read that even alluded to him doing anything of an even remotely sexual nature had him at age 17+. Which, according to the plotline of the book made him an adult within his fictional community. *AND* in most states, while technically a minor, age of consent varies from 16-18, or did last time I checked. And actually, it wasn't but a few years ago, one state's age of consent was... Twelve! Or at least, that's what my research had shown.

I found out, because I was sixteen and pregnant, and needed to know. So.... If it's allowed in REAL life, wtf is up with them banning it in fiction?

[aoanla.livejournal.com]

It's not allowed, apparently, in the state of California, in real life. And since this is where 6A's servers are, and since 6A seem to be paranoid about paedophilia charges at the moment...

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

This just seems so crazy to me - I mean, are museums and art galleries closed because they have underraged nudes? Such artwork isn't that uncommon...

[bladespark.livejournal.com]

It's not about the law. It honestly, really truly isn't. The obscenity laws only apply on a case by case basis, and the artwork laws are so vague that it would be hard to convict the artist for them, let alone the server that the art happens to reside on! No matter how much lj says it's about the law, it isn't. That's just an excuse. Either that or they are utter idiots who have hired an utter idiot of a lawyer. I mean seriously! I have NEVER, EVER, EVER heard of a single case of a host getting taken to court and losing for having obscene/illegal materials on their server. Have you? (You might know better than I, really.)

[aoanla.livejournal.com]

Well, no, it appears to be also about institutional paranoia. And, probably, they want to make sure they have a "clean" image, where "clean" is whatever a paranoid fundamentalist republican considers clean.

[rimspace.livejournal.com]

Age of consent in CA is 18, apparently. I won't get into a debate about how crazy or not such an age is, but that's the law there.

[wolfmare.livejournal.com]

Hmmm, true enough I guess. Which would explain part of the fuss.

[bladespark.livejournal.com]

But only part of it. Honestly! I gave in to morbid curiosity and went and looked at one of the pics. He could have been pretty much any age. You could say he was over twenty, and it would have been believable. He was definitely at least 16. LJ claiming they had to do this for legal reasons is bunk, especially given the crap about "support" communities like pro-anorexia groups and various hate groups. They're not doing this because the law makes them, they're doing this because they want to.

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

Exactly, the whole thing is sickening. They said it was allowed BEFORE the permanant account sale, sell them off, then ban them

And the way they dealt with burr was just insulting. They just basicly said "aw jee, no big deal, right?" Errrr, fandom is glaring back and saying "wrong!"


Oh, the comments are fun too, while one mod is defending the terms of service and finds people saying things along the lines of "ok, 2 17 year olds getting it on is wrong, but what about the pro-ana communities and the KKK and hate speach communities?" Because these have NOT being banned and they HAVE been reported

Then you get the joyful instance of seeing the mod describe pro-ana communities as "therapeutic"

[aoanla.livejournal.com]

...they "officially" responded to the pro-ana complaint by saying they were therapeutic?

I missed that in the replies to the relevant complaint, and I'm fairly surprised that the mod was that stupid as to say that...

(I'm fairly sure there's a media story here if anyone had a pet reporter who cared - I can see a headline "Social Networking Site Supports Child Starvation" or something.)

[bladespark.livejournal.com]

Yup. They did. Somebody started a "therapeutic" pro-teenage-fan-porn community in response, which nearly tempted me to join, even though I don't like porn.

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

Shockingly, yes they did. I couldn't believe it either. It has been "dugg" already.

People pointed out that self-harm and anorexia (encouraging either) is EXPRESSLY forbidden by LJ ToS, so why didn't they respond to alerts and ban them? (Basically an attempt to show the inconsistency of how the ToS is applied to things that don't involve hot mansex)

And an LJstaff member, coffiechica said she had read the proana communities and she considered them therapeutic and

She was challenged asking if she had read ACTUAL PRO anna communities and knew what PRO meant. She said yes. Someone actually posted an excerpt where members of one community gave advice to a girl who had not eaten for 56 hours and was having "hunger headaches" and they gave her loads of ideas to stop the hunger... none of it was "eating." Coffiechica did not change her position

She was asked if she was speaking on behalf of LJ. She said yes. It's like every time a member of lj staff speaks, stupidity comes out

She is declared a numpty and slapped with a wet fish

[bladespark.livejournal.com]

Incidentally, do you have a link to where it's been dugg? I can't find it.

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

http://digg.com/users/sea0tter12/news/dugg


Only way i know how to link

[bladespark.livejournal.com]

....I just finished reading through all those comments on the proana communities.

The stupid! The arrogance! The OFFICIAL LJ STAFFER DELETING POSTS LIKE A DRAMA-TARD FURRY! And then lying about why! WTF?

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

Yes, my jaw just DROPPED. I didn't believe it at first. She deleted comments because they proved her wrong? This is supposed to be even remotely professional? It was the height of childish drama!