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Today I did two things which I haven't done before.

The first was to feed Anthony an adult mouse. He was on fuzzies when I got him (fuzzies are baby mice that have just barely grown fur, as opposed to pinkies, which are newborn mice that are still furless) and he's been eating them well for a while, but lately they've stopped making a lump, and the last two he didn't even sleep and digest, he was cruising around, looking for more food, immediately after finishing one. The size jump between fuzzies and adults worried me though. There is an intermediate size of juvenile mouse, called "hopper" that I've seen at some online feeder stores, but nobody local carries them. They say you can feed a ball python something that's slightly thicker around the middle than it is though, and Anthony's pretty thick these days, If you stretch the mouse out full length it's definitely no larger than he is, so I went ahead. I crossed my fingers, because I really would hate myself if I'd fed him something too big and he regurgitated, or even worse tore his throat skin. *shudder* I read a forum comment about that happening, and it just gives me the heebie jeebies. I don't know what I'd do if something like that happened to Anthony!

He worried me a bit, particularly when he got to the hind legs. He was going so slowly, and his throat skin was really stretched, and he stopped entirely for just a bit when he got to the back legs, which is the fattest part. But he got it down, and it didn't stretch his sides once it was in him. He's napping and digesting now, and after a meal that size he probably will sleep for several days.

Also, mice from the reptile store, where they breed their own in the back, never smelled like anything. This mouse reeked of dirty rodent. Ugh. I was so glad when the snake got it down and it stopped smelling so bad.

The other thing I did that was new today was I bought a bottle of whisky. I've bought more alcohol in the last month than in my entire life before. But this is easy to do because I've never bought alcohol at all before. But I got a bottle of cooking wine so I could make Pasta Fresca a few weeks back, and today I got whisky to make this Jack Daniels whisky sauce stuff. I stumbled on this recipe from a rather hilarious cooking site, here: http://www.thepioneerwomancooks.com/2007/06/bread_pudding_f.html I adore bread pudding, and this looked way too good not to try. So today I tried it, sauce and all. It was funny, because as I was stirring the sauce, I kept sniffing it, and of course it reeked of alcohol, 1/4 cup of 80 proof will do that, but then, rather quickly, it changed texture and stopped smelling like alcohol. And started smelling like butterscotch, which for just a second made me go "WTF?!" And then I laughed, because I realized that's exactly what it was, butter, and scotch! (Well, by some definitions I understand that Jack Daniels isn't scotch, but it's close enough.) It was rich, and did taste ever so slightly of alcohol, but I found it didn't bother me in this setting, which is interesting, given that usually the least trace of alcohol taste makes something totally inedible. I think it might be that some artificial butterscotch flavors try to have that hint of alcohol taste to them, and so it was a familiar taste, rather than being alien, like alcohol in chocolate fondue.

Anyhow, the whole experience was a success, and I have enough bread pudding with whisky sauce now to last a week or two.

Date: 2007-10-02 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harliquinnraver.livejournal.com
all the frozen adult mice that we fed to Levi where pretty small as far as adult mice go....especially around the middle. maybe thats from freezing them tho.

Date: 2007-10-02 05:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
This one had been frozen too. It seemed pretty average for an adult mouse, from what I've seen of mice. But then I'm hardly a mouse expert. It just looked so huge next to Anthony! He's a fat snake, but still not really that long.

Date: 2007-10-02 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harliquinnraver.livejournal.com
oh i know you feed frozen XD and i like that. frozen is the way to go. having had mice and rats for pets, ive had to "euthanize" a mouse once for Levi and ugh.....never again. i still feel horrible about it.


but im glad he got it down with no problem. :) we need new Anthony pics.

Date: 2007-10-02 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
He he he. Well right now the only pic I could get is of what little of him you can see in his hide. Maybe I'll do another photo shoot in a few days.

Date: 2007-10-02 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harliquinnraver.livejournal.com
sounds good. :)

Date: 2007-10-02 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viherminttu.livejournal.com
I'm really hoping you don't live feed =|

Date: 2007-10-02 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viherminttu.livejournal.com
oh *reads posts above* good-o then :) Sorry I've been coming across a bunch of morons online recently that think live feeding is great for shits n giggles. *shudders* I'm a rat person, I love and own 8 rats and have nothing against reptile people feeding them to snakes (hey a snake has to eat too, right?) but I detest live feeding practices. *shudders* It's nice to know theres people like you out there that don't support it :)

Date: 2007-10-02 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
It has nothing to do with the rat. For all I care the snake could play with it like a cat and then eat it slowly still alive. Couldn't care less. What I COULD care about is the mouse deciding to fight back and my having to put down my snake. This isn't some kind of moral stand for me, it's just practicality. I don't want my pets hurt. Live prey can hurt them, so I don't feed live.

Date: 2007-10-02 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viherminttu.livejournal.com
*shudders* I don't agree at all. Rats are fantastic animals, and deserve human treatment, regardless of a snake owner's feelings about the animal they feed to their pet.

I wish more snake owners were conscientious about other animals as well. I feel roo to my dogs, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't give a shit if they hunted one down and tore it apart while it was still alive. I wish more snake owners felt that way.

Date: 2007-10-02 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
*shrug* I don't really like animal cruelty, but I also don't like the whole bleeding heart "they are just like human children" crap. It's an animal. I would prefer it suffer as little as possible, but in the end, I don't really care that much, because it's not a human, and suffering is what animals do. They're cruel to each other. They eat each other still alive. They don't care, and they are not my "babies." While I think it's immature and childish to get all excited and thrilled about a live animal dying, I also think it's juvenile to get all excited and angry about it. Millions of wild snakes eat small animals live every day. That's the way nature goes.

Date: 2007-10-02 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viherminttu.livejournal.com
I couldn't care less whether you didn't give a shit about rats, what I do care about is live feeding. Its cruel and unnecessary. This isn't the wild. This is people and their pets, and we control what happens. Rats die every day, and so do snakes, and while we're on the subject. I don't hesitate to shoot snakes on my property. It's against the law, but I don't care now do I. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather get my 410 out and shoot a snake before it bites one of my dogs. Same concept isn't it?

I care about rats. You care about snakes. I don't care as long as you aren't live feeding, which you aren't.

Date: 2007-10-02 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
Why are you so worked up about this?

Or let me put this another way. Why do you think "I think people who refuse to eat meat so they can save the animals are deluded" but letting snakes kill rats is evil? YOU are sounding exactly like every bleeding heart, save the chickens PETA loon I've ever talked to. You "care" about the rats. Why does this give you any better of a moral high ground than people who "care" about cows?

WHY do you care about the rats? Why is it any of your business if I live feed or not? The only reason to not live feed is to avoid hurting the snake, the rodent is just as dead either way, after all. Have you ever SEEN a snake eat live? Does it look like the mouse is suffering? It's over awfully fast, and I'm pretty sure that the way they're killed at the feeder store isn't much more humane, when it comes right down to it.

What's the difference between slaughter for food and... slaughter for food? That's all it is. So why do you care? And why, exactly, did you feel the need to come preach at a stranger about it?

Date: 2007-10-02 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viherminttu.livejournal.com
o_O wtf. I'm not worked up, merely having a friendly discussion. You stated your opinions, and I stated mine and why I felt that way and how our beliefs differ.

I care about rats because they are my pets and I love them for their characters, their little faces and how much personality they have. I care about live feeding because I feel its a cruel practice and I'd like to see it stopped one day and have more reptile owners educated on the dangers of live feeding, particularly in regards to rats.

I wasn't 'preaching', merely having a discussion. I don't know what you have up your ass right now, perhaps your tampon got jammed in sideways this morning.

Either way I have no interest in handing over hundreds of dollars for a commission to a self important git who can't value a friendly discussion on the internet without accusing someone of being a PETA lover and all airy fairy and fluffy bunny because they dislike live feeding practises (which i have stated I admire you for not supporting!).

I hope your ass is glued to that saddle, because it seems to be a long way down off that high horse, or perhaps theres a butt plug attached to the saddle, hrm?

Date: 2007-10-02 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
If this kind of aggressive, crude, and nasty language is a "discussion" then I'm quite happy to not discuss anything at all with you further. You're a hypocrite if you think that live feeding is cruelty and food slaughter isn't. I didn't say you WERE a PETA lover, I said you sounded JUST like them. The exact same arguments, the exact same "I love animals" crap. Explain to me how food slaughter is more humane than a quick suffocation?

Date: 2007-10-02 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harliquinnraver.livejournal.com
I care about rats because they are my pets and I love them for their characters, their little faces and how much personality they have. I care about live feeding because I feel its a cruel practice and I'd like to see it stopped one day and have more reptile owners educated on the dangers of live feeding, particularly in regards to rats.

no one is feeding rats. no one is live feeding. what the fuck are you going on and on about? your opinions are clearly not welcome here. if she wants your views on rats and free feeding she would ASK.

Date: 2007-10-02 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordanis.livejournal.com
So... no actual answer then?

Date: 2007-10-02 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harliquinnraver.livejournal.com
you know what? people like you make me want to feed my snake live rats. yeah. yeah i think ill go back to doing that. :)

Date: 2007-10-02 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harliquinnraver.livejournal.com
i can i just step in and say that this is not a live feeding/cruelty to rats/zomg people dont treat rats like people and that makes me so sad thread.

she feeds her rats frozen so dont get worked up about it. ive had to kill a mouse once by knocking it out before feeding my snake because they were out of frozen. ive owned both rats and mice. am i being a bleeding heart about it? no. its fucking nature. and i wouldnt live feed my snake either only for the simple fact that live mice/rats can really do harm to a snake, even cause death. if its a question of a mouse that was born to be dinner or my snake, id choose my snake. that doesnt mean its wrong.

debating it in a strangers journal is not cool.

Date: 2007-10-02 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svashtar.livejournal.com
I live feed. My snake absolutely refuses to eat TV dinners (frozen/thawed). Tried many, many times. I don't pre-kill them for her, simply because the only way I have to dispatch the little critters is by whacking them against the wall.

I figure the snake does a far more efficient job of it than I would, and the rat would have less of a bloody headache.

Don't assume because someone feeds live that we're all morons. Some of us just don't have the option of feeding already dead animals.

By the way, dead is dead. The frozen rats didn't die of old age. They were killed in their prime (or sooner) by gassing, which is basically *strangling*. You know. That thing the snake does when it eats.

Date: 2007-10-02 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
No. (What IS it with strangers I don't know and commenting on/making assumptions about my husbandry? Is there something about owning a snake that just screams "I want everybody to tell me how to do this!" or something?)

Date: 2007-10-02 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
And yet you STILL don't feed kiddies to your snake. Not even noisy ones! *sigh* really, i think this is a terrible failure.

Date: 2007-10-02 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malakim2099.livejournal.com
How about trolls? Will it eat trolls? *grins*

Date: 2007-10-02 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Tear its throat skin? Surely the SNAKE knows better than to swallow something that large? I would have thought they'd know what they can and can't swallow?

Date: 2007-10-02 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svashtar.livejournal.com
The skin on the throat is really pliable and strong. If you grab a bit of it, you can stretch it pretty far without the snake feeling any discomfort. It's very elastic. Yes, I've done this, mainly to open Pip's mouth to do my once a month check for mouth rot and such.

Unless her python were to attempt eating a jumbo rat (and believe me, I've seen small snakes attempt some really dumb things), he's unlikely to be harmed in this way. More likely, he would give up on the animal by the time he got to the nape of the rat's neck, since he would not be able to get any farther.

Date: 2007-10-02 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
That cooking site is amazing - pictures! It has piccies! That means you can look and say "OMG why is mine not that colour?!" That's essential and useful!

Date: 2007-10-02 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
He he he. Yes! It also has a lot of stuff that looks mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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