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[bladespark]

Okay, okay... you want to believe that there were dinosaurs in the garden of Eden. Sure, fine, go ahead. I actually thought that too for a while, when I was about ten. I figured they died out in the flood, just like the unicorns did, right? (There's a book and a poem on the flood/unicorn thing, both of which I loved for different reasons as a child, so the notions of unicorns just missing the boat was quite firmly planted in my little brain until I was in late HighSchool, actually.)

But when you say that Dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark I'm going to be eying you funny. Because if the dinosaurs lived past the flood, then wtf killed them? Huh? Huh? Oh, it was something mysterious and we have no real idea, just a few half-baked suggestions? Oooooooookay. But I guess if you're going to take every word in the Bible literally, then two of every kind means two of EVERY kind, so I guess you're stuck with that idiotic notion. I'm really rather interested, though, in how you interpret the bits where the Bible is self-contradictory, if you're going to take the thing literally. And while we're talking about things I'd be interested in knowing, why exactly is the dragon on the welsh flag the best example you could find of dragon legends persisting into modern times?

Also, if you're going to insist that the various fossil layers have to do with location rather than time can you please explain why absolutely none of the modern mammal "kinds" are found in the fossil records along with dinosaurs? Sure, you have a very lame excuse for why human bones aren't found with dinosaur bones, but your little dioramas make it quite clear you think that modern species and fossil species coexisted. If "kinds" including things like sheep or cows or dogs or cats were contemporary with, oh, say dinonychus, why do we not get any modern mammal kinds mixed in with those layers? Did dinosaurs live in one place, and mammals lived somewhere else, all neatly segregated? (Oh, and here's a hint: finding dragonflies in all the various layers is NOT proof that they're all contemporaries. Science has a very nice explanation for the dragonflies, and it's called "a broadly successful animal doesn't die out.") And how the flip was there ROOM on this planet for every "kind" that we have now (whatever the flip a kind is) and every single kind that we've ever found in fossils? How did all the thousands of different sorts of dinosaurs and all the other reptiles and the amphibians and the fish and the insects and everything coexist in a balanced ecosystem where nothing at all went extinct until recently? Explain that one! And what about the ice age mammals? I see you have a lovely little bit about mammoths, but then where did they go? If they were in the time between the flood and now, you'd think we'd have a few still around! And please explain to me a.) where do you get this bizarre notion that snow doesn't fall inland? (Have you never been to Utah? Ski Utah is the state logo, people! And it is most definitely landlocked. I should know, I lived there half my life.) And then b.) what exactly about getting buried in lots of snow can't be explained by modern conditions? Have you ever heard of a thing called an "avalanche" by any chance? Augh, the more I see, the more stupid I find!

The sheer idiocy of these people makes me want to beat their heads in with a good science textbook!

I really loathe young earth creationists. They're lowering the collective IQ of Christianity by a good 50 points, I swear, not to mention all the times morons like them have forced me to try and explain "Well yes I'm Christian, but I'm not one of those Christians." I think I'm starting to have to give that little speech even more often than I get to give the "Yes I'm furry but I'm not one of those furries" one.

Comments

[harliquinnraver.livejournal.com]

wait, what?? i thought dinosaur fossils had been carbon dated and it was discovered that they lived millions of years ago.

[tarathene.livejournal.com]

But carbon dating is SCIENCE! Work of the devil, and all that.

[harliquinnraver.livejournal.com]

yeah. must be. all that evil PROVING of stuff. how dare they.

[tarathene.livejournal.com]

I don't think I've ever said so before, but you're awesome. XD

[harliquinnraver.livejournal.com]

ya know, i really dont hear that often enough. XD thank you ^-^ im a master smartass. i learned from my dad!

[tarathene.livejournal.com]

Welcome! You learned well, be proud. XD

[bladespark.livejournal.com]

Everybody knows that Harli is awesome. Yes. *nods*

[rimspace.livejournal.com]

Uh, you're thinking like a rational human being, not a creationist. ;) To them, this is proving nothing.

You see, to them, all the evidence that science can present can be easily dismissed by appealing to "God Made It That Way To X", where 'X' can be things like 'Test Our Faith', 'Show How Powerful He Is', or even 'Prove That Scientists Are All Wrong' (yes, I really have encountered that one. I would say that it would require some astounding leaps of logic, except that logic is apparently the Work of Satan and must be avoided at all costs). It's the ultimate get-out clause for when they are in danger of being forced to use what passes for the brain between their ears.

You can't prove anything to these people, you can't argue with them, you can't reason with them, because they are completely blind to sane argument and always have a Deus Ex fallback for anything they find inconvenient. Carbon dating? God made it work like that. Stratification? God put things in there. And so on.

I tend to find it useful from a sanity maintenance point of view to replace all occurrences of "God" in their dribblings with "UFOs" or "Aliens". It doesn't make the statements any more sane, but it does at least provide some vague measure of amusement.

UFO

[aazhie.livejournal.com]

an then on the sixth day ufo's created man... lol. nice, never though to do that before :3

[kainhighwind-dr.livejournal.com]

Actually, carbon dating doesn't work for things that old (only works on the scale of tens of thousands of years, not millions), but you CAN date the rock and ash layers around fossils with other elements that have a longer half-life. So yeah, you're right, kinda already determined that the things are OOLLLLLLD... but, like stated below, presenting even irrefutable fact is probably irrelevant to them anyway. ;)

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

Not carbon dating, exactly, but certainly radioactive dating.

But that sounds like you're letting pesky facts get in the way. Remember, thinking is a sin!

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

I see your report and raise you this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scalzi/sets/72157603091357751/

Gods, it's bad isn't it? It's actually hilariously funny, it's so bad. And scary of course, because people believe this and are teaching kids this (poor kids).

Do you know what annoys me the most? It's called a museum. Now, if it were called a theme park or a fun fair or a bullshit show, I'd be fine. But a museum? A museum without knowledge? That's like a library without books or a safari park without animals. It's just wrong

Even more wrong than the idea that the ancient egyptians were harrassed by dinosaurs *eye roll* Or the fossil layers denoting place (because these creatures kept to VERY closely segregated locations. yes, yes they did). Hey, almost as much fun as Tyrannosaurus Rex munching on the leafy green vegetables (after all, what ELSE would he do with that classic, carniverous dentition?)

And I love the way that they brush over the fact that ANY species trying to breed from such narrow gene pools (which humanity had to do twice, it seems) is royally screwed.

And you know what amuses me? Their explanation for the woolly mamoth et al is actionally a passing nod to species adaptation (*gasp* Evolution gets everywhere! Curse thee Darwin-Satan!)

I swear, not to mention all the times morons like them have forced me to try and explain "Well yes I'm Christian, but I'm not one of those Christians.

And that's thew worst thing ever. The Young Earth Creationists (*snorfle*) the religion-in-government fanatics and the hate freaks are giving Christianity a horrendously bad name. Whatever people's beliefs (or lack) are about Jesus, the guy didn't deserve to have cretins, megalomaniacs and bigots as spokespeople.

WTF?

[aazhie.livejournal.com]

ok, so if eygptians and ancient humans existed with dinosaurs why do we NEVER see anything that even remotely looks liek a dinosaur? I mean, a few gods from ancient cultures may sort of look like a dino, but they look MUCH more like imaginary creatures made of different real life animal parts. and you can't argue that early humans didn't have as much contact with dinosaurs so they drew them wrong, because early civs managed to draw things like elephants which some had never seen with reasonable accuracy regarding their size and basic anatomies. Ammut and sobek don't look that much like dinosaurs...

[ellixis.livejournal.com]

I don't mind Jesus, but his fandom scares me sometimes.

[beetlecat.livejournal.com]

I want to put that statement on a shirt..

god yes

[aazhie.livejournal.com]

i can do it nine times... <:P

[ellixis.livejournal.com]

It might be on one, I have no clue where I got it from.

[malakim2099.livejournal.com]

On the bright side, Spark... most of these mouth-breathing young creationists don't think we're Christians, either. Which personally, I find to be a relief. *grins*

[bladespark.livejournal.com]

There is that, yes! (Although this means I get to be in the same "off to the camps" boat is all the atheists should these people ever actually manage to get their Christian Nation the way they want it.)

[malakim2099.livejournal.com]

Frankly, if it comes to that... well, wasn't there an exodus planned to New Zealand anyway? *chuckles*

I do mind leaving my native country... but if those ninnies have their way, it isn't exactly my country, anymore.

[firebyrd.livejournal.com]

Problem is we have a fair number of young earth creationists with us. Some years back, I had to nod and smile and hold my tongue while my grandpa lectured me about the earth being 10,000 years old.

[anvikit.livejournal.com]

Lol.. This is so absurd I'd think it bordering more on satire, than what one's beliefs would actually be!

I would love to know what kind of people funded this! "Humm.. we could have been feeding poor starving children of god but instead decided to build a shrine to our own idiocies .."

It's a neat thing to see.. and I can even see it and laugh, if I knew it wasn't meant to be taken seriously..