Just FYI

Apr. 17th, 2008 07:44 am
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If I hear one more person say "It's perfectly legal to make your own art/stories/costumes/other copy of a copyrighted character, so long as you're not doing it for profit" I am going to SCREAM.

No.
It's not.
Okay?
Not flipping legal.

There are two ways in which it is legal to copy a copyrighted character. 1. It's a case that falls under "fair use" which means you are copying it to discuss, parody, critique, study, etc. 2. You have been given permission by the copyright owner.

Those are the ONLY CASES EVER, okay? If you do not have permission, THEN YOU CAN'T USE IT. There is no law that says "If you're not making money, you can copy copyrighted stuff in any way you please." Okay? NO SUCH LAW.

Some owners have given their fans blanket permission to use their work for non commercial purposes. But just because Mercedes Lackey has said her fans have her permission to make Valdemar fan art doesn't mean that making Harry Potter fan art is okay. It doesn't work like that, so quit telling me it does. (I'm fairly certainly Rowling has also given blanket permission, but I KNOW of some authors who HAVE sued their own fans over making fan art. It has happened, so don't assume it won't, go find out.)

Breaking copyright on art for personal use rather than for profit means three things:
1. You're less likely to get caught at it.
2. The copyright owner may not bother to sue you, since you're not directly harming their income, and
3. If you do get sued, you won't be fined as much money when* you lose as you would have been if you'd been doing it for profit.

These things don't make it legal. They make it possible to get away with it most of the time, but just because most of the time you're not driving past a speed trap, that doesn't make speeding legal!

Sheesh. If you want to take the risk, feel free. Plenty of people do, and they usually don't get in trouble. But for the love of small furry things, quit telling me that it's legal when it's not!

(Pardon my recent spate of ranty posts. I'm under a great deal of personal stress just now, so it's sort of leaking out in the form of a total lack of patience with things like this.)

*I say "when" because the only cases I have ever heard of where the infringer beat a copyright lawsuit are cases involving music, which is an entirely different area of copyright law. If you have drawn a million Lion King characters, and Disney takes you to court, what exactly is your defense going to be? They're obviously characters belonging to Disney, you obviously didn't have permission to use them, so what are you going to say? "But I never made any money doing it" doesn't get you anywhere, legally speaking, so if that's your only argument, you will lose the suit. And "But I changed this one's hair to green, he's my own original character now" also doesn't hold water. Sorry. The "change it 10%" rule is as much of a myth as the "personal use is okay" rule. If somebody looks at it and goes "Looks like Simba" then you're screwed. You have to change something enough that it's no longer recognizable as the original in order to be legal, and once you've done that it's no longer copying, is it? It's just inspiration. Like the Fizzkit.
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/dark/fizzgig.jpg <--Fizzgig
http://sparkcostumes.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=106&pos=9 <--Fizzkit
You're going to look at the Fizzkit and go "that kind of reminds me of Fizzgig" but you're not going to go "That IS Fizzgig" because Fizzgig didn't have a tail, or ears, and did have a nose, and was rounder, and... etc. Taking inspiration is fine. Copying isn't. End of story. So the next person who tells me it's legal to break copyright for personal use is going to get whapped upside the head with a haddock.

Date: 2008-04-17 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pointytilly.livejournal.com
I'm lucky in that my major fandoms seem to either not mind or actively encourage fanworks. Heck, Tomy's held contests for Zoids stuff, including some where your fanart design became canon in model or game form. Doesn't mean every company's gonna react so happily >_>.

I mean, fanart is usually pretty safe unless it's for profit, but like you said, it's safe as in they're likely not gonna care, not that it's legal.

Date: 2008-04-17 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beetlecat.livejournal.com
I've only read the first few sentences so far, but I understand your rant. A LOT of people on cosplay forums truly think that what they do is legal.

Nooooooo... it's not. My Red costume is a fugitive. It's highly, highly, HIGHLY unlikely that anyone would eve be charged (I don't think it's ever happened), but it's certainly not LEGAL.

Date: 2008-04-17 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firebyrd.livejournal.com
For what it's worth, I think you're safe, even if illegal. I posted a custom pony I did of FFX Shiva on a certain forum once, and an SE employee saw it, loved it, and said he shared it with the whole office. Not a word was said about me breaking copyright, so I think SE is pretty good with the whole fan art thing (though I had a few panicky moments there!).

Date: 2008-04-17 06:35 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-04-17 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firebyrd.livejournal.com
You know, you may be ranty, but you keep hitting things on the head so perfectly. This is one of those things that drives me nuts. Obviously I do it, but I know very well that what I'm doing isn't /legal/ and if anyone ever went after me, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. The likelihood of anyone going after me is slim, given the rather obscure nature of custom ponies, but not getting caught is not the same as being legal.

Date: 2008-04-18 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
*nods* Yes. I've done it myself *cough*BlackBeastPony*cough* but that doesn't mean I think I had permission to do it. I just figure they'll probably never notice, and probably be more amused than litigious if they do.

Actually, selling hacked/remixed Barbies

Date: 2008-04-20 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellatrys.livejournal.com
was ruled to be legal, transformative work. So they would be stupid to sue you, given what happened to Mattel. (http://www.smartmobs.com/2004/06/29/artist-fends-off-barbie-copyright-challenge/)

cosplaying

Date: 2008-04-18 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tobias-radjin.livejournal.com
At anime cons everybody cosplays as a copyrighted charater. (Naruto, Goku, Hellkaiser, Bobobo, weregarurumon, Sora, Riku, Red XIII, Ash, Shego, Superman and Major from Ghost in the shell 2nd gig) to name a few. And those Creaters of those shows Love when people dress up as there charaters. some of these people who cosplay put alot of time, money, blood and sweat in this costumes. I know cosplayed a Iuka sensi at bakuretsucon 2007, It cost me $200 to put it all together.

That's my cosplay point of view.

Re: cosplaying

Date: 2008-04-18 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com
...you know, I believe I've just been insulted.

You say this as though I don't know what cosplay is. I assure you, I am quite familiar with it.

You also say this as though putting money, blood and sweat into your illegal costume legalizes it.

And further, you say this as though $200 is a lot of money for a costume. I'm sorry to break this to you, but it's not. Ask the next fursuiter you see how much their fursuit cost. As the next historical re-enactor you find how much their costume cost.

Well, actually, according to Steve Hickman

Date: 2008-04-20 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellatrys.livejournal.com
who I figured would know about this, given he does it for a living, it's a good bit more complicated than that. It's perfectly legal for me - or him - or you - to do fan-art of characters in books, even books still under copyright, and sell it, because what's copyrighted is the words, and what I/he/you've drawn/painted/sculpted is an original artwork containing none of the words. Titles however can get you in trouble, but that's because that's using words, which are copyrighted, so The Naming Of Works can be a difficult matter, but the making of them is not necessarily.

Thus you have networks and studios and gaming companies now trademarking characters, (Captain Kirkā„¢) in order to avail themselves of a different set of legal protections, in order to license derivative works for profit and/or control their public image. So some fanart is illegal, and some isn't. It depends.

And then there's the whole Fair Use/parody situation, which is not particularly cut-and-dried (which is one reason for authors/networks to stay away from trying to enforce it, because it might not go entirely as they wish (http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16230) (quite apart from the whole Look Like Jerks/alienate our most loyal customers aspect), - and profit-making status does make a difference when it comes to Fair Use, and parody can be sold for profit, so...

Not as simple as that - but then it rarely is.



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